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wutsturm

05-14-2009, 10:36 AM

Just somethin' I've been hearing from my sources. :grin:

It helps that none of the investors interested in QC want to bring the AHL in.

"Not unless we find somebody with enough money to pay affiliation fees to Anaheim, which I believe are around $3 million," Scott Mullen, executive director of the i wireless Center, said of NHL club that this week ended its one-year affiliation with a Des Moines ownership group. "Right now, we don't have that. Nobody we are talking to believes in the AHL option."

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Cornfield, of course, declined to identify the prospective owners, but said he and Mullen hope to present one final group to the Quad-City Civic Center Authority at its regular meeting on May 21.

http://www.qctimes.com/sports/hockey/professional/minor/article_4ebb6bec-3f56-11de-9d40-001cc4c002e0.html

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 11:08 AM

Very interesting, I'm pretty much hearing the same stuff Wuts. We'll see.......I think QC could make a mild go of it in the IHL, they're still fairly far away, but would be a good fit for Bloomington.

Unnamed Source

05-14-2009, 02:04 PM

An announcement of QC to the IHL should be made shortly after the announcement of Dayton joining the "I".

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 03:26 PM

An announcement of QC to the IHL should be made shortly after the announcement of Dayton joining the "I".

Interesting, 8's a great number for a league IMO. 2 divisions of 4:

Division I
QC
Bloomington
Muskegon
Kalamazoo

Division II
Ft. Wayne
PH
Dayton
Flint

Cutting the schedule down some games would be nice.

I'm guessing that the player pool in the AA spectrum got more competitive because of a few less teams and a little more stability within the IHL could breed some better quality hockey. We'll have to see. I'm sure that QC could survive a bit better w/ their low attendance numbers in a more cost effective league. Like always, it depends on the lease they get.

Lucher

05-14-2009, 03:30 PM

Cutting the schedule down some games would be nice.

Never going to happen. Wouldn't mind myself a reduction to 70 games, but in the end I think it may be too much lost revenue potnetial.

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 03:59 PM

An announcement of QC to the IHL should be made shortly after the announcement of Dayton joining the "I".

There won't be an announcement before May 21st regarding QC, and that would be the very earliest it could happen. That is when they are supposed to review the potential ownership group selected by "Support QC Hockey" with the Illinois Quad City Civic Center Authority. And once they've selected an ownership group, then they have to go and court the different leagues. The courting may have already begun, but I'm certain the IHL is not their 1st choice. It's still up in the air if QC will even have a team next year.

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 04:04 PM

Like I said there little Q, it's a rumor that's floating around.......it may come true and it may not.

If people with money decide that QC can be be a hockey city, then there only real option is the IHL as far as leagues go....like it or not.

silvershoes

05-14-2009, 04:17 PM

An announcement of QC to the IHL should be made shortly after the announcement of Dayton joining the "I".

What makes this such a great move? The QC used to be a good hockey area, but what are they now? And some of their fans are so wrapped up in their own little world that nothing's going to be good enough for them; they don't have a team but they're barking already. Love of Pete, they had things their way in the A, even though their attendance shows it wasn't what the majority of the old fan base wanted.

The lesson is that if the I really does this, they're going to have to appeal to the wider QC audience, and not to a select but verbal few. They have a right to their opinions of course, but there aren't enough of them to pay the bills. I just hope the new owners can avoid that trap.

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 05:44 PM

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 06:05 PM

wutsturm

05-14-2009, 06:45 PM

Ha. A Komets fan suggesting that QC people live in their own little world.

The IHL in its current state would be darn lucky to get QC.

Going dark and waiting a year is the other option. It may play out that way even if they select an ownership group because it is getting pretty late to be fielding a team. I honestly think I'd rather go dark and see what pans out next year than join the IHL. I have no problem watching low-level hockey as long as there is some semblence of parity. The IHL has none.

In the current state of the economy, Quad City fans should be darn lucky to even have a hockey team. Your holy league isn't going to come save you again. Heck, they might never come save you again.

Parity? With a statement like that, it's pretty save to think that you didn't go to any IHL games this past season. Yes, Flint and Bloomington may not have been close to making the playoffs stat-wise but, especially with Bloomington, any team could beat any other team on any given night.

In any case, Quad City coming back to the IHL should be a good fit for them, as well as the league. Their attendance fits the IHL much better than it fit the AHL. I would also like to welcome most of the Quad City fans back to the league. :smile:

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 08:41 PM

The Komets live in a world where finishing in the 83rd percentile of a league qualifies as "greatness" and warrants debates on how world-famous the team is. I live in a world where the 83rd percentile is a B-.

Until a team other than the K's either finishes in 1st place or wins a cup, I will always question the parity of the IHL. So, sorry, no, I don't think we'd be terribly "lucky" joining a league like that. If QC is just there to help the K's win another few cups, then we'll be done in a couple years, anyway.

The IHL is going to be lucky if they can add any teams without losing any. My concern is that adding Indy and Dayton and QC is just going to replace Bloomington, Flint and Port Huron, if not right away then within a year or two.

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 08:48 PM

In the current state of the economy, Quad City fans should be darn lucky to even have a hockey team. Your holy league isn't going to come save you again. Heck, they might never come save you again.

"Save" us? We're talking about minor league hockey, not life and death.

The USHL would not be a terrible thing. As far as a league, it has a lot going for it: namely parity, stability, and extremely low costs. Sure it's only junior hockey, but the low costs and stability are things the rest of minor league hockey currently lacks.

Quacky

05-14-2009, 08:49 PM

From what I was told today, it's amazing that there aren't ruts in the interstate from where the IHL has been burning rubber making its way to the QC again and again to try to get us to join the league.

Fans might not want us any more than we want the IHL, but the ownership groups certainly do!!! :lmao:

Quacky

05-14-2009, 08:51 PM

"Save" us? We're talking about minor league hockey, not life and death.

The USHL would not be a terrible thing. As far as a league, it has a lot going for it: namely parity, stability, and extremely low costs. Sure it's only junior hockey, but the low costs and stability are things the rest of minor league hockey currently lacks.

Also, teams nearby with the USHL. I'd like that the best....easy road trips. I know that if we're in the IHL, my road trips will be to see AHL games. I'm not going to spend two days on a roadtrip to see teams with fans who obviously don't want us in the league....

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 08:56 PM

QuackerBacker35

05-14-2009, 09:10 PM

Wow look at the big boys from Ft. Wayne talk their smack. I would rather not have a team then fall asleep watching the crap in the IHL.

Quacky

05-14-2009, 09:10 PM

Hey! Do you spose this means there would have to be a dispersal draft??

I like the idea of no teams being able to protect anyone..... :lmao:

wutsturm

05-14-2009, 09:19 PM

Fans might not want us any more than we want the IHL, but the ownership groups certainly do!!! :lmao:
Quacky, it's not the team as a whole that we don't want. It's fans like YOU that we don't want. Personally, I like most of your fan base and feel bad for them that as of right now, they've lost a hockey team. It's people like YOU that put a sour taste in peoples mouths about Quad City fans in general. YOU do not know what is best for the fan base in general, yet here you are on ITB spouting away things like you're the Queen Bee and whatever you say is what is the golden rule. Get over yourself because you're not the Queen Bee and when Quad comes back to the IHL, hopefully, you will realize that.

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 09:55 PM

The Komets live in a world where finishing in the 83rd percentile of a league qualifies as "greatness" and warrants debates on how world-famous the team is. I live in a world where the 83rd percentile is a B-.

How many posts do those people have that represent the K's fan base? You live in a world where QC hockey still has options......that's called fantasy.

Until a team other than the K's either finishes in 1st place or wins a cup, I will always question the parity of the IHL. So, sorry, no, I don't think we'd be terribly "lucky" joining a league like that. If QC is just there to help the K's win another few cups, then we'll be done in a couple years, anyway.

The IHL is going to be lucky if they can add any teams without losing any. My concern is that adding Indy and Dayton and QC is just going to replace Bloomington, Flint and Port Huron, if not right away then within a year or two.

Oh, how much you don't know.

Like I said, the IHL would be lucky to get us.

Not really......they don't and it folds the K's go to another league, we got options....do you?

Also, teams nearby with the USHL. I'd like that the best....easy road trips. I know that if we're in the IHL, my road trips will be to see AHL games. I'm not going to spend two days on a roadtrip to see teams with fans who obviously don't want us in the league....

I've already stated that the USHL is QC's best option....this is just a strong rumor that I've heard. Listening to you spew things, it's no wonder Mr. Taylor got out when he did. Seems like he made the correct choice.

Wow look at the big boys from Ft. Wayne talk their smack. I would rather not have a team then fall asleep watching the crap in the IHL.

The "big boys", then what shall we call you 3? How bout 25% of paid attendance.

wutsturm

05-14-2009, 10:12 PM

The "big boys", then what shall we call you 3? How bout 25% of paid attendance.
:lmao:

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:22 PM

How many posts do those people have that represent the K's fan base? You live in a world where QC hockey still has options......that's called fantasy.

Some of us would actually prefer the option of going to junior hockey or going dark for a year to going to the IHL. Those are still two very viable options for QC. How is that fantasy?

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:23 PM

The "big boys", then what shall we call you 3? How bout 25% of paid attendance.

If that is the case, then I nominate Quacky as Queen of All QC Fans.

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 10:31 PM

Some of us would actually prefer the option of going to junior hockey or going dark for a year to going to the IHL. Those are still two very viable options for QC. How is that fantasy?

Man, I've already said that the USHL was the best option, 3 times now!!! Since when is going dark viable....is QC moving in 3,000 Canadian's in 1 year and magically moving back to the AHL? Tell me, please (in less then 5 - 6 words please, you're sentences get messy after that) what are the advantages of going dark?

If that is the case, then I nominate Quacky as Queen of All QC Fans.

She's not?? Unfortunately, that would still make you a serf.

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:34 PM

Man, I've already said that the USHL was the best option, 3 times now!!! Since when is going dark viable....is QC moving in 3,000 Canadian's in 1 year and magically moving back to the AHL? Tell me, please (in less then 5 - 6 words please, you're sentences get messy after that) what are the advantages of going dark?

Going dark means we could bring in something slightly better than IHL hockey in the winter months. Like maybe a monster truck show.

She's not?? Unfortunately, that would still make you a serf.

Oh, I know my place.

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 10:38 PM

Going dark means we could bring in something slightly better than IHL hockey in the winter months. Like maybe a monster truck show.

Well, you didn't competently respond to my question, so you must not have a good reason for going dark, maybe because, there isn't one.

Like I said, is the E/C/A going to realize what they are missing out of when you guys go dark? I doubt it.

And for those who call the league "crap"....you were in the same one for soooo many years, but now, after 2 years, it's crap? Go to a game, it's the same stuff, trust me, I watched AAA hockey for way longer then any of you newbies.

GameMisconduct

05-14-2009, 10:40 PM

It's cute how you guys think you actually matter in the hockey world....not any more.

Personally, I hope the IHL doesn't go to Quad City...Who needs a franchise with 1 skate in the grave already? Not the franchise you once were and will likely never be again. You had a great run but it's time to go out behind the barn...

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:44 PM

And for those who call the league "crap"....you were in the same one for soooo many years, but now, after 2 years, it's crap? Go to a game, it's the same stuff, trust me, I watched AAA hockey for way longer then any of you newbies.

The hockey might be OK. But playing 5 teams over and over isn't at all appealing. And I just can't get past the parity question, sorry. All it will take for me to change my mind is for some other team to win something, anything, even if its just a regular season trophy. Then I'd be a lot less skeptical.

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:45 PM

Personally, I hope the IHL doesn't go to Quad City...Who needs a franchise with 1 skate in the grave already?

Agreed. The IHL has enough of those already.

GameMisconduct

05-14-2009, 10:48 PM

Agreed. The IHL has enough of those already.

And yet they still have a team...how about you guys? How's the AHL treatin ya?

pioneer98

05-14-2009, 10:53 PM

And yet they still have a team...how about you guys? How's the AHL treatin ya?

I'll say it again real slow so you can understand: I'd rather have a junior team or nothing than the IHL. Flint and Bloomington can be the K's whipping boys for all I care. Why would I be jealous of that?

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 11:35 PM

The hockey might be OK.

I didn't say it was OK, I said it was the S-A-M-E.

Chaulker

05-14-2009, 11:43 PM

Hey pioneer, let them have their fun. They are still buzzing about winning their little bowling trophy in a league that doesn't matter anymore in the world of hockey.

Cue the "at least we have a team" garbage again.

You seem to be talking about the Cup more then me, I don't think I've mentioned it once. Seems like I saw Ft. Wayne's name on NHL Network throughout this week.

And ya, at least we have a team....

QuackerBacker35

05-14-2009, 11:58 PM

Quacky

05-15-2009, 12:22 AM

Quacky, it's not the team as a whole that we don't want. It's fans like YOU that we don't want. Personally, I like most of your fan base and feel bad for them that as of right now, they've lost a hockey team. It's people like YOU that put a sour taste in peoples mouths about Quad City fans in general. YOU do not know what is best for the fan base in general, yet here you are on ITB spouting away things like you're the Queen Bee and whatever you say is what is the golden rule. Get over yourself because you're not the Queen Bee and when Quad comes back to the IHL, hopefully, you will realize that.

:lmao:

I hope that, while you were trying to cut me to the quick, you didn't really mean to insult the entire QC fan base as you did. Every single fan I've met in the QC is perfectly capable of thinking for themselves and making their own decisions....and they do just that. I don't think for anyone but myself.

What I post here are my thoughts and opinions. Some people agree with me, some don't. That's what a message board is all about. When you grow up maybe you'll come to realize that. In the meantime, if you don't like what I post, there's always that "ignore" option! laugh2

BTW....how's the info on that name of the new IHL commish coming? I've been checking and checking that thread....but nothing there!!! :devilish:

Quacky

05-15-2009, 12:25 AM

If that is the case, then I nominate Quacky as Queen of All QC Fans.

Can I decline?

I wouldn't want to get a reputation or anything like that.... :lmao:

Quacky

05-15-2009, 12:29 AM

You seem to be talking about the Cup more then me, I don't think I've mentioned it once. Seems like I saw Ft. Wayne's name on NHL Network throughout this week.

And ya, at least we have a team....

For what? I heard Bryan Smolinski interviewed on the Hockey Network....though they only mentioned the IHL when they were first talking and they asked what that league was that he started with this season....

And, actually, the Frankes have two teams in the IHL, not one! Double the pleasure, double the fun!!! One wins....and one can't get it done!!!

komethckygirl4

05-15-2009, 03:11 AM

Hey pioneer, let them have their fun. They are still buzzing about winning their little bowling trophy in a league that doesn't matter anymore in the world of hockey.

Cue the "at least we have a team" garbage again.

Like I said before, what if Kalamazoo had won the Cup, would it still be a bowling trophy to you? Or even Port Huron, or Muskegon? What if QC comes to the IHL and they win? Nah, its just a "bowling trophy," doesn't mean anything.

FWKRTJ

05-15-2009, 03:32 AM

I tell ya what...some of those bowling trophys now-a-days are pretty snazzy!

Chaulker

05-15-2009, 07:19 AM

BTW....how's the info on that name of the new IHL commish coming? I've been checking and checking that thread....but nothing there!!! :devilish:

So, you think the IHL is actually going to run w/o a commish? Seems like you get a lot of inside information also, wonder why you don't post anything in the rumor section about QC then.......

For what? I heard Bryan Smolinski interviewed on the Hockey Network....though they only mentioned the IHL when they were first talking and they asked what that league was that he started with this season....

What, you watch the NHL Network 24/7? It was on the ticker. I didn't realize that you even watched the NHL until this years playoffs, Calgary at least suckered one fan into your QC mess. Make 14 bucks of a tank-top or something. Actually, I'm really surprised you watch the NHL network, I hope you bring a pad and paper and jot down some notes, I've seen your posts, it's mostly about announcers and people saying nasty things about players, maybe you'll actually pick up how the games played one of these games, and won't go to the games to get your favorite players button.

And, actually, the Frankes have two teams in the IHL, not one! Double the pleasure, double the fun!!! One wins....and one can't get it done!!!

Good, you're already a fan of this league, you know a lot about it. You should fit right in then when it's announced. You better hurry and text message your "sources" and tell them how much you don't want the IHL, and you'll be getting your buttons from another league.

Right on cue. :byebw:

Thought you'd like that.

pioneer98

05-15-2009, 08:34 AM

Like I said before, what if Kalamazoo had won the Cup, would it still be a bowling trophy to you? Or even Port Huron, or Muskegon? What if QC comes to the IHL and they win? Nah, its just a "bowling trophy," doesn't mean anything.

Yeah, it would still be a bowling trophy if QC won the league. Wow, we beat 5 other teams. In our old AHL division that would have been good for 3rd place. That's why I want no part of the league. People here recognize it for what it is.

pioneer98

05-15-2009, 08:41 AM

It's cute how you guys think you actually matter in the hockey world....not any more.

We don't matter in the hockey world. That's why it looks like the IHL and junior hockey might be our only realistic options at this time.

The only reason going dark might be a realistic option is because in the near future Des Moines might be looking for a new team, and Peoria and maybe Rockford might not be far behind. Bundling QC with those other 3 might make us relevant again. Waiting a year or two may also give the economy time to heal.

And if you think QC fans are too self-important, wait until you meet the Des Moines fans. They think they are too good to be in the same league as Peoria, much less Flint or Port Huron. There is no way Des Moines will ever be in the IHL.

QuackerBacker35

05-15-2009, 09:30 AM

qcflamesfan

05-15-2009, 12:40 PM

My choice is for QC to go dark. Watching the same teams over and over again was boring in the UHL it will be boring again in the IHL.

komethckygirl4

05-15-2009, 12:42 PM

Still a bowling trophy.

Ok, just wanted to make sure! :grin:

Chaulker

05-15-2009, 01:10 PM

My choice is for QC to go dark. Watching the same teams over and over again was boring in the UHL it will be boring again in the IHL.

I know for a fact, that not all QC fans have comprehension problems, just the ones that are posting in this thread......it's not about choices that you have, it's about what's been rumored to happen.

Start a thread about going dark in your own forum, it's about QC coming to the IHL. Don't like it, then I don't expect you guys to go to the games if they end up in the IHL (which I highly doubt would happen)

acron

05-15-2009, 04:55 PM

When did all the Cincinnati Mighty Ducks fans move to Quad City?

silvershoes

05-15-2009, 06:22 PM

My choice is for QC to go dark. Watching the same teams over and over again was boring in the UHL it will be boring again in the IHL.
And that's the sort of post that probably led to your AHL coach calling QC fans an internet mafia.

You guys had two years in the A, yet some of you simply couldn't grow into it and forget about the I. Totally strange, and unlike anything I've seen from other fans in the A.

YOU may prefer juniors, but what about the rest of the fans? For that matter don't you already have juniors, are they just not good enough somehow?

YOU might be willing to wait, but what about the other fans who don't hang out on boards? Are they willing to do without hockey for a year so you get your way on something that's in no way guaranteed to happen? Not from what I've heard.

That's why I say IF an IHL team goes in there, many of the QC boarders should just be written off and ignored. The I should try to appeal to the thousands who didn't go to the AHL games and those who enjoy hockey more than they enjoy stirring up trouble, not the few who believe they should somehow be catered to and have their minds made up. Nothing's going to please them, it's wasted effort. Entertain the rest, and all the dire predictions of doom and twisted "inside info" won't matter.

IF it happens, the key will be putting an entertaining team out there and making games fun again. Not kissing booty.

silvershoes

05-15-2009, 07:06 PM

BTW....how's the info on that name of the new IHL commish coming? I've been checking and checking that thread....but nothing there!!! :devilish:
Not sure what you're insinuating there, but the CHL went for months without a commissioner. The league survived and there was no panic (or even much interest) among the fans.

Non issue. :devilish:

qcflamesfan

05-15-2009, 07:08 PM

I just think it’s too late for us to get into any league and for Quad City to succeed. That includes all leagues AHL, CHL, ECHL, and IHL. I am not a season ticket holder I consider myself a casual fan.

The IHL employed some of my friends I have nothing personal against the IHL.

Truth be told I will go to many games if Quad City got an IHL team.

In my opinion I rather watch IHL then Jr. Hockey any day.

Quacky

05-15-2009, 07:11 PM

So, you think the IHL is actually going to run w/o a commish? Seems like you get a lot of inside information also, wonder why you don't post anything in the rumor section about QC then.......

Instead of just spouting off, thinking you're slamming me, perhaps you ought to educate yourself. Check out the thread that I started in the QC forum at the beginning of this week about our going dark....I said the IHL commissioner is leaving and they have no one to replace him at this point. Wutsturm jumped in 15 minutes after I started the thread with a "Yes we do."

I asked who it was, and still haven't received a response. Thus the reference in my response to Wutsturm....

I think the IHL, of all leagues, could run without a commissioner. The Frankes could just make all the decisions!! :grin:

I don't like the idea of joining a league where there's no visible commissioner at this point. How do we know anything we agree to today will hold true tomorrow if Pickard isn't around anymore?

Chaulker

05-15-2009, 07:47 PM

Instead of just spouting off, thinking you're slamming me, perhaps you ought to educate yourself. Check out the thread that I started in the QC forum at the beginning of this week about our going dark....I said the IHL commissioner is leaving and they have no one to replace him at this point. Wutsturm jumped in 15 minutes after I started the thread with a "Yes we do."

I asked who it was, and still haven't received a response. Thus the reference in my response to Wutsturm....

I think the IHL, of all leagues, could run without a commissioner. The Frankes could just make all the decisions!! :grin:

I don't like the idea of joining a league where there's no visible commissioner at this point. How do we know anything we agree to today will hold true tomorrow if Pickard isn't around anymore?

Why would I be in the QC Flames forum?

You're looking for a link/clarification of the new commish?? I'm looking for a link where it's been announced that he's not around anymore.......maybe when he steps down, they'll announce his replacement. Again, what's that have to do w/ QC's joining the IHL rumor, must not detour some potential investors.

Silly excuse/point IMO.....you have inside information about the IHL's commissioner, but yet you shed no light on the potential QC IHL investors? Sounds like you pump your chest out when you "hear" something that satisfies you, ie. Flint situation.

Whatever fits your agenda I suppose.....

pioneer98

05-15-2009, 08:18 PM

You guys had two years in the A, yet some of you simply couldn't grow into it and forget about the I. Totally strange, and unlike anything I've seen from other fans in the A.

How could QC fans "remember" a league they never played in? Everyone on these boards grew into the AHL just fine. Trust me, we "forgot" about that league we never played in a long time ago.

That's why I say IF an IHL team goes in there, many of the QC boarders should just be written off and ignored.

On the one hand, you rip our fanbase for being picky, but on the other hand you think there are thousands of us just waiting for the IHL to come. This is a contradiction. Believe me, our fan base is plenty picky. Too picky to accept the IHL in its current form.

I know people who want the Mallards to come back. But an IHL version of the Mallards, I'm afraid, will not be the Mallards they so fondly remember. If a Mallards team comes here and goes through a bunch of nonsense and turmoil, it may be the final nail in the QC hockey coffin.

FYI - These people wanted the Mallards to come back when they were still called the Mallards!

Quacky

05-15-2009, 09:47 PM

Chaulker

05-15-2009, 10:08 PM

If only QCSV would have known what "experts" exist regarding our situation so many hundreds of miles away.... :lmao:

Maybe we ought to give Howard and Scott a call and tell them that all of the answers are right here on ITB!!! :lmao::lmao:

That might be beneficial...wasn't it a group from Ft. Wayne that got the Mallard's off the ground in the first place?

I've seen 4 different bloggers against it, show me a petition w/ the other 144 that attend the game that want to go "dark" and we might consider your opinions functional.....that's what happens when your just a fringe hockey fan.

Komettheclown

05-15-2009, 10:39 PM

Instead of just spouting off, thinking you're slamming me, perhaps you ought to educate yourself. Check out the thread that I started in the QC forum at the beginning of this week about our going dark....I said the IHL commissioner is leaving and they have no one to replace him at this point. Wutsturm jumped in 15 minutes after I started the thread with a "Yes we do."

I asked who it was, and still haven't received a response. Thus the reference in my response to Wutsturm....

I think the IHL, of all leagues, could run without a commissioner. The Frankes could just make all the decisions!! :grin:

I don't like the idea of joining a league where there's no visible commissioner at this point. How do we know anything we agree to today will hold true tomorrow if Pickard isn't around anymore?

When has the IHL said Picard is stepping down. Did I miss a press release or are you just lying?
Kalamazoo will probably just put another one of their guys in the Comish's chair. The Frankes will have no say at all again.

Quacky

05-15-2009, 11:11 PM

That might be beneficial...wasn't it a group from Ft. Wayne that got the Mallard's off the ground in the first place?

I've seen 4 different bloggers against it, show me a petition w/ the other 144 that attend the game that want to go "dark" and we might consider your opinions functional.....that's what happens when your just a fringe hockey fan.

Nope. Wrong again. But it was a group from Fort Wayne that helped to bury them before QCSV took over. Here's a hint....the Co/UHL was around for 10 years before Fort Wayne joined. There really is history before the Komets!

I don't have to prove anything to you. But you might want to talk to SS about what she's heard. She seems to think she has an inside track.

Quacky

05-15-2009, 11:14 PM

When has the IHL said Picard is stepping down. Did I miss a press release or are you just lying?
Kalamazoo will probably just put another one of their guys in the Comish's chair. The Frankes will have no say at all again.

I was told about it in Muskegon a few weeks ago. Came from a couple of pretty reliable sources, too....

Chaulker

05-15-2009, 11:28 PM

Nope. Wrong again. But it was a group from Fort Wayne that helped to bury them before QCSV took over.

What else have I been wrong about? Go ahead and lead the way....

I do know that some Fort Wayne personal has been involved in the ownership of the Mallards....maybe he/she just didn't have the money to buy all those old "bowling trophy's" to keep those fans interested.

Here's a hint....the Co/UHL was around for 10 years before Fort Wayne joined. There really is history before the Komets!

Let me know when I've referred to anything related to the Komet's lady.....that's for your own personal demon's, not mine.

I was told about it in Muskegon a few weeks ago. Came from a couple of pretty reliable sources, too....

That's it????? You're crying that the IHL lost it's commish and you have some pretty reliable sources?? I got some better sources that say's Pickard's stepping down.....but I wouldn't leave out the fact that he's being replaced. Which, of course, you fail to mention.

Quacky

05-16-2009, 12:45 AM

Things must be pretty slow on that other board these days.....so the nonsense moves over here.

How lucky for us! :smash:

FWKRTJ

05-16-2009, 12:56 AM

I think Pickard stepping down is a non-issue. They surely didn't do any worse with his replacement...

maddog

05-16-2009, 12:56 AM

Things must be pretty slow on that other board these days.....so the nonsense moves over here.

How lucky for us! :smash:

Quacky...you are in the rumor thread. Just ignore it if you don't like it.

Chaulker

05-16-2009, 01:10 AM

Things must be pretty slow on that other board these days.....so the nonsense moves over here.

How lucky for us! :smash:

I'm sorry if I'm not following your rules or believe any of the crap that you post. I guess no one should question you? Is that it.....they created a separate forum for you to control w/ the others, try that one, maybe you'll get a better response. :emotio-con explain how I feel at this moment:

pioneer98

05-16-2009, 01:29 AM

I've seen 4 different bloggers against it, show me a petition w/ the other 144 that attend the game that want to go "dark" and we might consider your opinions functional.....that's what happens when your just a fringe hockey fan.

I can show you our crappy attendance numbers from when we had the Mallards in a UHL league that was rapidly going downhill.

And OK, I'll admit it. I don't really want to go dark. I just want to hold out for something better.

otters2

05-16-2009, 01:39 AM

And OK, I'll admit it. I don't really want to go dark. I just want to hold out for something better.

You can! It's a short drive over to Peoria!!!

maddog

05-16-2009, 01:44 AM

You can! It's a short drive over to Peoria!!!

That can only slow down Peoria's demise in the view of some boarders. Those boarders are hoping for a reunion with Peoria in the ECHL in another year.

pioneer98

05-16-2009, 01:49 AM

You can! It's a short drive over to Peoria!!!

I'd rather drive a little further to Milwaukee. Peoria smells funny.

maddog

05-16-2009, 02:02 AM

I'd rather drive a little further to Milwaukee. Peoria smells funny.

Peoria and Milwaukee both smell funny so go to Rockford instead.

otters2

05-16-2009, 05:45 AM

I'd rather drive a little further to Milwaukee. Peoria smells funny.

It must be whatever is left over rotting from the butt-whoopings the Rivermen put on the Flames this past season!

:grin:

pioneer98

05-16-2009, 09:34 AM

It must be whatever is left over rotting from the butt-whoopings the Rivermen put on the Flames this past season!

:grin:

I had to a job during college where I had to work on the Peoria riverfront for a few days. I could barely breathe. I haven't forgotten. Plus, Milwaukee is just a lot more fun than Rockford or Peoria.

Chaulker

05-16-2009, 09:58 AM

I had to a job during college where I had to work on the Peoria riverfront for a few days. I could barely breathe. I haven't forgotten. Plus, Milwaukee is just a lot more fun than Rockford or Peoria.

Milwaukee has the best brewery in America (besides Bell's in K-Zoo of course). I'd go there more often, get a lifetime membership, get on a rascal and zip through to the free beer at the end of the tour, then head on over to the rink.

QuackerBacker35

05-16-2009, 12:14 PM

Is it safe to come into this thread again? :read:

maddog

05-17-2009, 05:17 AM

Is it safe to come into this thread again? :read:

It has always been safe to come into this thread. I have no idea what you are talking about. We are talking about 'rumors'.

otters2

05-17-2009, 04:27 PM

Milwaukee has the best brewery in America (besides Bell's in K-Zoo of course). I'd go there more often, get a lifetime membership, get on a rascal and zip through to the free beer at the end of the tour, then head on over to the rink.

Ah-hem.... the Budweiser factory in St.Louis offers free beer at the end of the tour as well.

And I bet Milwaukee doesn't have Clydesdales either!

silvershoes

05-17-2009, 04:31 PM

I was told about it in Muskegon a few weeks ago. Came from a couple of pretty reliable sources, too....

I don't think anyone questions that you have sources - but lots of people do. Nothing special there.

Here's a hint....the Co/UHL was around for 10 years before Fort Wayne joined. There really is history before the Komets!

Not to be cruel, but so what? You sound exactly (exactly!) like the old IHL fans missing the old IHL. You make fun of them for living in the past, and there you are doing it yourself.

The only way QC regains relevance in the hockey world is on the ice and at the turnstile. Till that happens, it's ancient history. And I guess if you get your way and prevent QC returning to the ice (except on your terms of course) it'll stay ancient history.

mfrerkes

05-17-2009, 05:53 PM

The only way QC regains relevance in the hockey world is on the ice and at the turnstile. Till that happens, it's ancient history. And I guess if you get your way and prevent QC returning to the ice (except on your terms of course) it'll stay ancient history.
Some would rather cut off one's nose to spite their face.

For what its worth, most of the anti-IHL QCers on this board will be buying tickets next season should the league locate here. So much of this "I hope QC hockey goes dark" sentiment is nothing more than posturing. When you spend two years bashing a league, then suddenly are forced by necessity to join said league, the 180-degree transition is not made easily nor quickly.

Give it time, Silvershoes.

wutsturm

05-17-2009, 05:58 PM

I can show you our crappy attendance numbers from when we had the Mallards in a UHL league that was rapidly going downhill.

And OK, I'll admit it. I don't really want to go dark. I just want to hold out for something better.
Where are the attendance numbers that show the attendance numbers rapidly going uphill once you joined the AHL?

Something better? The ECHL said two years ago that they wouldn't take QC without other teams. Why would that change now? The AHL definitely isn't going to be coming back - especially when you have NHL teams leaving cities with better attendance than Quad City.

Oh, and Quacky, the CoHL was around even before your Mallards.

mfrerkes

05-17-2009, 06:17 PM

Where are the attendance numbers that show the attendance numbers rapidly going uphill once you joined the AHL?

Something better? The ECHL said two years ago that they wouldn't take QC without other teams. Why would that change now?
The attendance did go up something like 12% from our last season in the UHL to our first in the AHL. Perhaps that's not a huge increase, but it did reverse a long downward trend suffered during the UHL era. Undoubtedly the biggest problem (among many) during our short stint in the AHL was ownership. They miscalculated and cut corners to a degree that was almost negligent.

Had more capable management been in place, the AHL would've certainly seen better support in our market. I'm not saying the Flames could have been drawing 7,500 per game...but they probably would've sustained themselves for a longer period of time.

Regarding the ECHL, things have changed dramatically in that league this season. In the wake of several clubs folding, it is no longer the hot commodity it was three or four years ago. The ECHL will now have to reorganize and restructure. The Midwest is emerging as a top geographical candidate for that task. Markets like Des Moines and the Quad Cities certainly will not go unnoticed by league officials.

pioneer98

05-18-2009, 10:29 AM

The only way QC regains relevance in the hockey world is on the ice and at the turnstile.

And the only way they do well at the turnstile is if we do well on the ice. Again, if QC is just around to watch the K's rack up more trophies against the same 5 teams, I don't see how people will get excited about it. If it turns into a 10-12 team league that has several very competitive teams like the old UHL/CoHL did, then it might work.

It's not that we think we are the center of the universe. It's that our fans just demand a little higher quality, that's all. It's not you, it's us.

pioneer98

05-18-2009, 10:50 AM

When you spend two years bashing a league, then suddenly are forced by necessity to join said league, the 180-degree transition is not made easily nor quickly.

Give it time, Silvershoes.

I've been bashing that league for 4 years, not 2! Get it right. I started the bashing the UHL when it was infiltrated by the mafia.

When you get burned like that by a league, it takes a long, long time to repair that trust. It's still not 100% repaired for me. It's just like anything else. If you buy a brand new car and it has a major problem, how long would it take you before you'd purchase that brand of car again? And wouldn't you warn friends to stay away from that brand, too?

I never owned full season tickets when QC was in the UHL, and I don't anticipate buying full season tickets in the IHL, unless they tremendously discount them. I will probably go to some games, though. If we get an IHL team and you see me at some games, it will be because I will always support our local team...And because I happen to enjoy watching hockey. :shock:

Chaulker

05-18-2009, 12:00 PM

And the only way they do well at the turnstile is if we do well on the ice. Again, if QC is just around to watch the K's rack up more trophies against the same 5 teams, I don't see how people will get excited about it. If it turns into a 10-12 team league that has several very competitive teams like the old UHL/CoHL did, then it might work.

It's not that we think we are the center of the universe. It's that our fans just demand a little higher quality, that's all. It's not you, it's us.

How can you sit here and say that your "fans" demand a higher quality, when no one showed up for the AHL? Sorry, doesn't make sense. You don't look like an attractive market to any league besides the IHL at this point, and that's because the IHL would take ANYONE at this point.

Lucher

05-18-2009, 12:09 PM

pioneer98

05-18-2009, 01:23 PM

How can you sit here and say that your "fans" demand a higher quality, when no one showed up for the AHL? Sorry, doesn't make sense. You don't look like an attractive market to any league besides the IHL at this point, and that's because the IHL would take ANYONE at this point.

A lot of the "quality" I'm talking about is the front office. Promotions, giveaways, entertainment before/after games, etc. This is also what creates the fun environment at the games. Like as has been stated before, our single-A baseball team is running circles around the old Flames front office in this respect. The marketing just wasn't there with our small front office.

The 2nd part of it is on-ice performance and the teams we play, the parity, rivalries, etc. The AHL certainly had parity, and we had some blossoming rivalries (not that our front office actually tried to market rivalries at all). However, we had a parent club who flatly said winning was secondary to development. Our head coach was also quoted as saying "We're not that good (of a team)". Can you blame casual fans for not wanting to come out and support a team that our own people admit a) isn't good and b) is not totally committed to winning? The Flames also backed up these statements by spending 90% of their existance in 7th place.

The very 1st thing any new ownership group coming in here has to do is tell people they are going to strive to be the best. It might seem obvious, but we were lacking this the last 2 years.

Chaulker

05-18-2009, 01:37 PM

A lot of the "quality" I'm talking about is the front office. Promotions, giveaways, entertainment before/after games, etc. This is also what creates the fun environment at the games. Like as has been stated before, our single-A baseball team is running circles around the old Flames front office in this respect. The marketing just wasn't there with our small front office.

The 2nd part of it is on-ice performance and the teams we play, the parity, rivalries, etc. The AHL certainly had parity, and we had some blossoming rivalries (not that our front office actually tried to market rivalries at all). However, we had a parent club who flatly said winning was secondary to development. Our head coach was also quoted as saying "We're not that good (of a team)". Can you blame casual fans for not wanting to come out and support a team that our own people admit a) isn't good and b) is not totally committed to winning? The Flames also backed up these statements by spending 90% of their existance in 7th place.

The very 1st thing any new ownership group coming in here has to do is tell people they are going to strive to be the best. It might seem obvious, but we were lacking this the last 2 years.

I can understand the effort that the front office has to put in, but you really can't blame the Flames for not giving you guys the best product. That's what they have in the system, most NHL to AHL teams aren't going to get you talent to win, they are all about what systems are going to played.

You want winning, look at Chicago, which everyone bashes because they can go out and get a few more of their own players, they don't play w/ the same rules as other AHL teams because their owner has a ton of money.

From my understanding, the QC fans got upset because the GM/Coach said that they weren't very good and it's not about winning? I'd think every NHL GM would echo that over giving the Springfield AHL team a winner.....it's the nature of the beast.

I don't doubt that the QC's front office lacked a lot, but really, how were they going to be able to sustain a higher quality of entertainment, if they were paying out a lot more then was coming in? If, they would of marketed and spent the money (doing properly, as you guys say) how many fans in the stands would it take for them to break even? I'd have to guess on average 5 - 6 thousand???? How likely was anyone coming into the QC's going to realize that amount of people even if they were marketing geniuses? Very low, and you can argue that till you're blue in the face, but I don't think QC has the amount of hockey people in it to support it (not an insult at all - I don't think Ft. Wayne is that strong of a hockey city either outside of the 5-6 thousand die-hards that show up to every game)

I seriously don't care if the QC's come back to the IHL and only want them in to bring up the amount of teams, offer more options for the AA players and player security purposes to make a go at getting some more talent in the league......

pioneer98

05-18-2009, 03:14 PM

I can understand the effort that the front office has to put in, but you really can't blame the Flames for not giving you guys the best product. That's what they have in the system, most NHL to AHL teams aren't going to get you talent to win, they are all about what systems are going to played.

You want winning, look at Chicago, which everyone bashes because they can go out and get a few more of their own players, they don't play w/ the same rules as other AHL teams because their owner has a ton of money.

From my understanding, the QC fans got upset because the GM/Coach said that they weren't very good and it's not about winning? I'd think every NHL GM would echo that over giving the Springfield AHL team a winner.....it's the nature of the beast.

I don't doubt that the QC's front office lacked a lot, but really, how were they going to be able to sustain a higher quality of entertainment, if they were paying out a lot more then was coming in? If, they would of marketed and spent the money (doing properly, as you guys say) how many fans in the stands would it take for them to break even? I'd have to guess on average 5 - 6 thousand???? How likely was anyone coming into the QC's going to realize that amount of people even if they were marketing geniuses? Very low, and you can argue that till you're blue in the face, but I don't think QC has the amount of hockey people in it to support it (not an insult at all - I don't think Ft. Wayne is that strong of a hockey city either outside of the 5-6 thousand die-hards that show up to every game)

I seriously don't care if the QC's come back to the IHL and only want them in to bring up the amount of teams, offer more options for the AA players and player security purposes to make a go at getting some more talent in the league......

I don't care if winning is secondary to development....you just don't say that!!! It's terrible marketing. You grin and say "We are committed to winning at the AHL level", even if its not true! You also never say out loud that your team "isn't very good", especially when your sole marketing advantage over the other leagues is quality of play. When people hear they aren't good, a lot of people just tune out.

The fans who gave the team a chance were likely turned off by how crappy the team played at the beginning of each season. The coach said the team was bad, and he was right! And there was no hope of the team getting any better, since, after all, winning was secondary.

Then after all of this has turned off half the fan base, your GM says "Boy, I sure wish attendance was better." Oh, you mean to see the mediocre team that you don't care if they win or lose?

This is what QC fans are referring to when we say that Calgary "did us no favors". "Doing us no favors" is the polite way of saying it.

Look at all the AHL teams that are drawing really well, and most if not all of them go out and get players in addition to the "developmental" guys to try to win the league. No, they don't stack half their team, but it does make them more competitive and proves to their fans they are dedicated to winning. I'd love to hear a Wolves/Thrashers front office person say "winning in the AHL is secondary to development" and see what kind of reaction he gets. It would make for hours and hours of entertaining reading on the message boards.

And I'm not saying Calgary had to go out and get us more players. I'm just saying they had to at least pretend they were trying to make us competitive. It's a much easier sell.

Koolie

05-18-2009, 08:13 PM

What makes this such a great move? The QC used to be a good hockey area, but what are they now? And some of their fans are so wrapped up in their own little world that nothing's going to be good enough for them; they don't have a team but they're b*tching already. Love of Pete, they had things their way in the A, even though their attendance shows it wasn't what the majority of the old fan base wanted.

The lesson is that if the I really does this, they're going to have to appeal to the wider QC audience, and not to a select but verbal few. They have a right to their opinions of course, but there aren't enough of them to pay the bills. I just hope the new owners can avoid that trap.

This is an such an awesome post, I do not need to read the rest of the thread. You hit the nail right on the head. There is a group of really great die hard fans here most of which post on these boards.

The rest are spoiled idiots who do not deserve hockey. All they do is whine and complain.

A good example of this, just basic knowledge. This tard was on Fisher's show today and we was going on and on about the classic complaints

The AA level is bad, there was NEVER a Mallard who got called up and played a single minute in the AHL on and on and on. I laughed my arse off at that!

He then went on to say The Flames did nothing to improve concession prices, if the I-Wi would not help they should have played somewhere else. It was pretty funny but yet sad, in which that is our average fan here. Spoiled and ignorant.

pioneer98

05-18-2009, 08:48 PM

I don't know which makes the Quad Cities more unique.

A) The fact that we have some ignorant fans that live here.

or

B) The fact that there are people who live here who think we are the only place that has ignorant fans.

mfrerkes

05-18-2009, 09:26 PM

You don't look like an attractive market to any league besides the IHL at this point, and that's because the IHL would take ANYONE at this point.
That is probably one of the saddest, but truest statements I've heard on this board ever.

Chaulker

05-19-2009, 01:22 PM

Supposedly, someone from Musky said that on the radio last night, there were two groups interested in the QC's....one from the ECHL and the other from the IHL.

Koolie

05-19-2009, 06:34 PM

komethckygirl4

05-19-2009, 11:10 PM

Supposedly, someone from Musky said that on the radio last night, there were two groups interested in the QC's....one from the ECHL and the other from the IHL.

If people are going to complain about traveling in the IHL, think what they will have to do in the ECHL! :wacko:

Chaulker

05-20-2009, 12:03 AM

If people are going to complain about traveling in the IHL, think what they will have to do in the ECHL! :wacko:

They'll complain regardless KG......even if they get what they want.

QuackerBacker35

05-20-2009, 02:05 AM

They'll complain regardless KG......even if they get what they want.

100% right. No one can argue that point.

mfrerkes

05-20-2009, 10:16 AM

They'll complain regardless KG......even if they get what they want.
The prevailing mentality here seems to be screw the IHL, we'll let the iWi sit empty for a winter and desperately hope what little fan base we have remains intact for a restart in October 2010.

18 months is a long time to take hockey off the radar screen. People find other interests to fill the winter void. Personally, I think rebuilding local interest in hockey is a task that cannot be shoved to the back burner right now. However, some people believe that because they fervently hate the IHL, so does every other potential fan in the Quad Cities. That is why the iWi should sit empty next season.

Lucher

05-20-2009, 10:22 AM

The prevailing mentality here seems to be screw the Frankes, we'll let the iWi sit empty for a winter and desperately hope what little fan base we have remains intact for a restart in October 2010.

18 months is a long time to take hockey off the radar screen. People find other interests to fill the winter void. Personally, I think rebuilding local interest in hockey is a task that cannot be shoved to the back burner right now. However, some people believe that because they fervently hate the Frankes, so does every other potential fan in the Quad Cities. That is why the iWi should sit empty next season.

I think that's more how it should be. My opinion is that if Fort Wayne were not in the IHL that the people from QC (at least the ones here on ITB) would have no problem with the IHL.

wutsturm

05-20-2009, 11:12 AM

The prevailing mentality here seems to be screw the IHL, we'll let the iWi sit empty for a winter and desperately hope what little fan base we have remains intact for a restart in October 2010.

18 months is a long time to take hockey off the radar screen. People find other interests to fill the winter void. Personally, I think rebuilding local interest in hockey is a task that cannot be shoved to the back burner right now. However, some people believe that because they fervently hate the IHL, so does every other potential fan in the Quad Cities. That is why the iWi should sit empty next season.
Well said. :smile:

QuackerBacker35

05-20-2009, 11:58 AM

pioneer98

05-20-2009, 12:05 PM

Chaulker

05-20-2009, 01:08 PM

Looks like we won't have to have this debate right now about QC hockey. According to the QC Times there will be no ownership group announced tomorrow and it's only a 50% chance we will field a team next year. Looks like the iWi will sit empty for 1 season.

That makes sense from what I've been hearing....

ECHL - Goes dark for a year

IHL - Play now

Maybe if the E didn't have such a horrible season franchises wise, they'd be in the E next season....who knows.

Chaulker

05-20-2009, 01:20 PM

USHL for a season or two

the USHL already announced 2 teams coming in....they're smart enough not to add any at this point in the year.

If the QC's went to the USHL, their arena would almost double the size of any USHL team.

pioneer98

05-20-2009, 02:10 PM

If the QC's went to the USHL, their arena would almost double the size of any USHL team.

Actually, that's incorrect. QC would be on the large side for the USHL, but possibly not even the biggest. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resch_Center):

Green Bay = 10,200
Sioux City = 10,000
QC = 9,000
Indy = 8,200
Sioux Falls = 7,200
Omaha = 6,700

Some of these capacities may be for basketball instead of hockey, so QC still may be a shade on the large side. Also, I wonder if some of these larger buildings put up curtains or only sell the lower bowl for hockey, like a lot of teams do.

I'd also point out that QC would be a pretty large building for the IHL, too.

Chaulker

05-20-2009, 02:17 PM

Good points and I was incorrect, but you're still not getting a USHL team this season.....I'm sure the USHL would love to have the QC market for next year though.

Lucher

05-20-2009, 03:27 PM

QuackerBacker35

05-20-2009, 03:28 PM

That makes sense from what I've been hearing....

ECHL - Goes dark for a year

IHL - Play now

Maybe if the E didn't have such a horrible season franchises wise, they'd be in the E next season....who knows.

I actually want to sit out a year for all the bad press and wounds to heal. Myself and the rest of the die hards have been through an awful lot and people are just reacting instead of thinking about what's best. Who know's what's going to happen between now and June, but it's looking more and more like QC will be going dark.

Quacky

05-20-2009, 04:47 PM

Unless the "I" is really desperate to get teams in, QC has until June 15 (the summer league meeting) to gets the ownership group together and submit a letter of intent then make a proposal (plus fork over $10,000).

There's more involved than that from the Support QC Hockey point of view....

I'm not sure they can even get everything done by the 15th.

Quacky

05-20-2009, 04:56 PM

I think that's more how it should be. My opinion is that if Fort Wayne were not in the IHL that the people from QC (at least the ones here on ITB) would have no problem with the IHL.

Let me assure you that the fans here have no vote. I'm guessing that if we have hockey this fall, it will be the IHL. But it's more than just the fans in the QC that have a problem with the ownership situation in the IHL. The fact that the Frankes own any team, much less two of the six, plays far greater with the QC decision-makers than anyone on ITB would want to think.

It's a business decision....and one that's being made carefully, considering the costs and risks involved.

Lucher

05-20-2009, 05:12 PM

Let me assure you that the fans here have no vote. I'm guessing that if we have hockey this fall, it will be the IHL. But it's more than just the fans in the QC that have a problem with the ownership situation in the IHL. The fact that the Frankes own any team, much less two of the six, plays far greater with the QC decision-makers than anyone on ITB would want to think.

It's a business decision....and one that's being made carefully, considering the costs and risks involved.

And who, pray tell, is the second team you are refering to????

silvershoes

05-20-2009, 05:21 PM

And who, pray tell, is the second team you are refering to????

Oh darn, you fell for it. She's been dangling that stupid carrot for weeks. :grin:

Chaulker

05-20-2009, 08:24 PM

Oh darn, you fell for it. She's been dangling that stupid carrot for weeks. :grin:

Don't worry, she'll back off when people actually question her.

PIMking

05-20-2009, 10:26 PM

pioneer98

05-20-2009, 10:30 PM

I think that's more how it should be. My opinion is that if Fort Wayne were not in the IHL that the people from QC (at least the ones here on ITB) would have no problem with the IHL.

Without Ft Wayne, the IHL would be left with the 5 weakest teams, so I'd have even more reason to dislike being any part of it.

Quacky

05-21-2009, 12:10 AM

My question is why would they pay 10k??? really?

The mallards went dark. No one sold or bought the team right?

So why would it be an exspansion team? Its not like the IHL was an exspansion league two years ago.

This league is a joke from the inside out.

There isn't a franchise. QC's franchise was with the UHL. This league has no connection to the UHL.

That's one of the reasons that the league was renamed, restructured, and abandoned everything UHL. It also made all existing lawsuits and worker comp issues a moot point because there no longer was a league (UHL) to sue.

To get into the IHL, they'd have to purchase an expansion franchise.

Quacky

05-21-2009, 12:12 AM

Don't worry, she'll back off when people actually question her.

Nope. You can think whatever you want. I'll think what I know.

Funny that none of the loyal IHL fans have the guts to actually ask their ownership group about it...

mfrerkes

05-21-2009, 01:37 AM

USHL for a season or two
Mullen has been lukewarm to the idea of the USHL playing in the QC at all. I'm sure he'd be even less enthusiastic about using junior hockey as a makeshift surrogate until a truly professional league gets established here.

League stability is the biggest issue in this debacle. I'm not sure either the IHL or USHL (as a temporary replacement) offers that. Until the ECHL can establish a more Midwest-centric footprint, that league is also a potential disaster for any new ownership group.

The QC is between a rock and a hard place with these current options, but if we're going to keep professional hockey relevant, there needs to be a 2009-10 season. The IHL is far from being ideal. However, it does currently represent the most direct path to that end.

maddog

05-21-2009, 02:52 AM

Mullen has been lukewarm to the idea of the USHL playing in the QC at all. I'm sure he'd be even less enthusiastic about using junior hockey as a makeshift surrogate until a truly professional league gets established here.

League stability is the biggest issue in this debacle. I'm not sure either the IHL or USHL (as a temporary replacement) offers that. Until the ECHL can establish a more Midwest-centric footprint, that league is also a potential disaster for any new ownership group.

The QC is between a rock and a hard place with these current options, but if we're going to keep professional hockey relevant, there needs to be a 2009-10 season. The IHL is far from being ideal. However, it does currently represent the most direct path to that end.

Welcome back to the real world QC! Maybe after a few years in the IHL, the QC organization could stage another "cou de tau" and get the ECHL club they so desire.

mfrerkes

05-21-2009, 08:53 AM

Welcome back to the real world QC! Maybe after a few years in the IHL, the QC organization could stage another "cou de tau" and get the ECHL club they so desire.
The possible "coup d'etat" you are referring might come in the form of an IHL/ECHL merger. I don't see the IHL lasting as a seperate entity for too many more seasons.

QC joining the IHL would be a marriage of convenience for both parties involved. For the league, it would give them another badly-needed member...and for the QC, it would keep hockey on the radar screen of our local events calendar.

Lucher

05-21-2009, 10:04 AM

Nope. You can think whatever you want. I'll think what I know.

Funny that none of the loyal IHL fans have the guts to actually ask their ownership group about it...

We have two very good reporters who would have found out about such a thing if true, which I doubt it is. So once again, I ask the question, which is the other team the Frankes own?

pioneer98

05-21-2009, 10:07 AM

We have two very good reporters who would have found out about such a thing if true, which I doubt it is. So once again, I ask the question, which is the other team the Frankes own?

Oh, you mean the reporter who wrote an opinion piece and tried to pass it off as a news article?

pioneer98

05-21-2009, 10:10 AM

The possible "coup d'etat" you are referring might come in the form of an IHL/ECHL merger. I don't see the IHL lasting as a seperate entity for too many more seasons.

QC joining the IHL would be a marriage of convenience for both parties involved. For the league, it would give them another badly-needed member...and for the QC, it would keep hockey on the radar screen of our local events calendar.

If the goal is to just keep hockey on the radar screen, then the USHL would do that. It's also a far cheaper league, and a far more stable league.

I know Mullen has been lukewarm about the USHL. It's definitely a notch down for his building.

Lucher

05-21-2009, 10:19 AM

Oh, you mean the reporter who wrote an opinion piece and tried to pass it off as a news article?

I said "reporters", not reporter. We have two andif indeed the Frankes own two of the six franchises, one of the two beat would cught that and reported it. But since they haven't then I have to go by that it isn't true. So unless Quacky has a source?????

pioneer98

05-21-2009, 10:27 AM

I said "reporters", not reporter. We have two andif indeed the Frankes own two of the six franchises, one of the two beat would cught that and reported it. But since they haven't then I have to go by that it isn't true. So unless Quacky has a source?????

I mean to say "like" the reporter who wrote an opinion piece...

I hope Cohn isn't one of the two reporters. In that case, Cohn could just write something with no sources and no interviews and "put it to bed".

Chaulker

05-21-2009, 11:05 AM

I mean to say "like" the reporter who wrote an opinion piece...

I hope Cohn isn't one of the two reporters. In that case, Cohn could just write something with no sources and no interviews and "put it to bed".

What are you talking about?? Why are you worried about what are local papers write? Does everyone in your city complain about everything?

Lucher

05-21-2009, 11:13 AM

I mean to say "like" the reporter who wrote an opinion piece...

I hope Cohn isn't one of the two reporters. In that case, Cohn could just write something with no sources and no interviews and "put it to bed".

Sounds a lot one group owning two franchises. Where's the proof?

wutsturm

05-21-2009, 12:10 PM

Nope. You can think whatever you want. I'll think what I know.

Funny that none of the loyal IHL fans have the guts to actually ask their ownership group about it...
Come on, Queen Quacks-a-lot. This is the rumors forum.

No, no, no. You think what you want to think. Get it right. When it comes to the IHL and your "knowing", it's more what you "know" is what you actually want to think is true.

pioneer98

05-21-2009, 01:27 PM

Sounds a lot one group owning two franchises. Where's the proof?

1. Ask your two reporters to look into it. If they did the same bang-up job that Cohn did in refuting the ECHL union issues, then there is a lot to be desired.

2. I don't need proof in the rumors forum.

Lucher

05-21-2009, 01:31 PM

2. I don't need proof in the rumors forum.

Of course you don't. You're not spouting something as a fact.

As far as the union thing. All there is, is a what, eight year old article stating that the PHPA, on behalf of Guy Dupuis, was sueing the Komets and the IHL. Well that IHL is no more and since Guy has been playing for the Komets for the past three years....do the math. That whole arguement is based on an assumption that the Komets couldn;t move to a union league becasue of this?????? Doesn't take in-depth reporting, just a little and some common sense.

Chaulker

05-21-2009, 02:04 PM

1. Ask your two reporters to look into it. If they did the same bang-up job that Cohn did in refuting the ECHL union issues, then there is a lot to be desired.

It wasn't an ECHL union issue, it was the original IHL issue....two seperate things, the PHPA is the one that would have an issue w/ it. And Luc was right, it's been years since it's been denounced....if they wanted their compensation, don't you think they would get it w/o waiting for the K's to join a union league?

What's the major issue that the Ft. Wayne reporter's would be investigating and how would it reflect the way the IHL is currently doing business?

2. I don't need proof in the rumors forum.

When you post it as fact, it's no longer a rumor....ie. I said I heard that there was an IHL group interested in QC.....if I would of said, QC will be in the IHL, then that would no longer be considered a rumor, I would be stating it as fact, and I would also be very wrong.

silvershoes

05-21-2009, 02:59 PM

If the goal is to just keep hockey on the radar screen, then the USHL would do that. It's also a far cheaper league, and a far more stable league.

I know Mullen has been lukewarm about the USHL. It's definitely a notch down for his building.

Not all that stable, and not all that cheap. Teams come and go in it just like all the others; teams fail. The management is the same mixed bag as any league. You just don't follow it as closely. It's that old "grass is greener" mentality.

That doesn't make the USHL "bad" - but hockey is a precarious business. Every league - E, I, A, C, US, S - has teams that make it and teams that don't.

If Mullen has been lukewarm, it may have more to do with the attendance numbers in various cities. There are some well attended cities in the USHL, but there are some miserably low attendances as well. Plus it can be a difficult sell for cities used to pro hockey whatever the league. Some fans transition, some (like me) don't. That makes it difficult to justify for an arena manager who's looking for ticket sales and concession revenues.

The most recent example was Youngstown. They went from 3000+ attendance in the C to at/under 1000 in the NAHL despite having a championship team. Will the USHL be 2000 fans per game better?

otters2

05-21-2009, 05:47 PM

Come on, Queen Quacks-a-lot. This is the rumors forum.

No, no, no. You think what you want to think. Get it right. When it comes to the IHL and your "knowing", it's more what you "know" is what you actually want to think is true.

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Quacky

05-21-2009, 06:50 PM

It wasn't an ECHL union issue, it was the original IHL issue....two seperate things, the PHPA is the one that would have an issue w/ it. And Luc was right, it's been years since it's been denounced....if they wanted their compensation, don't you think they would get it w/o waiting for the K's to join a union league?

What's the major issue that the Ft. Wayne reporter's would be investigating and how would it reflect the way the IHL is currently doing business?

Apparently Kohn the diehard Komet believed (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090326/BLOGS11/903269839) it was relevant....

When you post it as fact, it's no longer a rumor....ie. I said I heard that there was an IHL group interested in QC.....if I would of said, QC will be in the IHL, then that would no longer be considered a rumor, I would be stating it as fact, and I would also be very wrong.

How can anything in the rumor forum not be a rumor of some kind??

That's what a rumor is.... (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor)a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts! And that's why there's a rumors forum! :grin:

You know how that works. You have a similar forum on that other board that you moderate, I do believe. If you take rumors there as facts, I guess it's then just a matter of a flaw in your policy.....

Quacky

05-21-2009, 06:52 PM

I said "reporters", not reporter. We have two andif indeed the Frankes own two of the six franchises, one of the two beat would cught that and reported it. But since they haven't then I have to go by that it isn't true. So unless Quacky has a source?????

Maybe you ought to aim one of them in the right direction! Then we'd have a source....of such repute that no one would dare to refute it!! laugh2

PIMking

05-21-2009, 06:57 PM

Chaulker

05-21-2009, 07:02 PM

Apparently Kohn the diehard Komet believed (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090326/BLOGS11/903269839) it was relevant....

I wasn't talking about that being relevant......name what other team is fully or owns the majority by another Franke?

Flint - Perani
Musky - Taylor and the brothers
PH - Kinney's
K-Zoo - Don't know their names
Bloomington - ??? Ahhhhh, here we go.....does the group of lawyers and the head guy (can't remember his name) own more/less then the rumored Franke?

How can anything in the rumor forum not be a rumor of some kind??

That's what a rumor is.... (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor)a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts! And that's why there's a rumors forum! :grin:

You know how that works. You have a similar forum on that other board that you moderate, I do believe. If you take rumors there as facts, I guess it's then just a matter of a flaw in your policy.....

I'm glad you check us out.....Oh I forgot, you signed up incognito, very internet savvy of you...learn anything from it yet?

So you must see people posting "The Frankes own another team in the league" w/o people stating what team??? I doubt it.

Chaulker

05-21-2009, 07:05 PM

Nice sig btw there Quacky....I feel honored. It's nice to know that I have that important aspect in your blogging life...means a lot.

Does this mean I get honored on a button also?

silvershoes

05-21-2009, 08:26 PM

Mullen doesn't want USHL because he cant get more rent for the building plain and simple.

The attendance would be close to most USHL games I have been to. But with the fact that its a low overhead league they wont be able to get as much for rent.
Well, isn't that the function of a building manager? To book as many dates as he can and make the most money he reasonably can?

The good news is he's kindly disposed toward hockey and sees the value in having it. That's not true everywhere.

As for attendance - I don't typically predict no matter what the league is. So much goes into the fan experience, the league itself is only one factor. That's one reason I'll be so interested in what happens in Youngstown - same venue, same owner, both junior hockey, only the league changes. It'll be interesting to see if it has an effect.

wutsturm

05-21-2009, 10:39 PM

Apparently Kohn the diehard Komet believed (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090326/BLOGS11/903269839) it was relevant....

How can anything in the rumor forum not be a rumor of some kind??

That's what a rumor is.... (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rumor)a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts! And that's why there's a rumors forum! :grin:

You know how that works. You have a similar forum on that other board that you moderate, I do believe. If you take rumors there as facts, I guess it's then just a matter of a flaw in your policy.....

Thanks for clarification, Quacky. The Frankes only own one team in the IHL, which why you haven't named a team yet.

Keep tryin'.

Quacky

05-21-2009, 11:23 PM

I wasn't talking about that being relevant......name what other team is fully or owns the majority by another Franke?

Flint - Perani
Musky - Taylor and the brothers
PH - Kinney's
K-Zoo - Don't know their names
Bloomington - ??? Ahhhhh, here we go.....does the group of lawyers and the head guy (can't remember his name) own more/less then the rumored Franke?

Bingo! The mouthpiece's name is Tim Leighton....and the majority owner actually lives in Chillicothe, Missouri.

Quacky

05-21-2009, 11:26 PM

Nice sig btw there Quacky....I feel honored. It's nice to know that I have that important aspect in your blogging life...means a lot.

Does this mean I get honored on a button also?

Sorry, no buttons. We're in dire financial straights here, remember!!

As for that other board....I haven't signed on there in literally months and months! Probably more than a year. I just hear rumors.... :grin:

mfrerkes

05-22-2009, 12:23 AM

If the goal is to just keep hockey on the radar screen, then the USHL would do that. It's also a far cheaper league, and a far more stable league.
I'm sure the USHL would be honored to stand in as QC hockey's "practice girl" until something better comes along. That would certainly make their league feel special.

There's no chance the USHL will ever merge with the ECHL. At least with the IHL, we'd have a chance at joining some other promising hockey markets (Fort Wayne, Kalamazoo, Bloomington) which would be prime candidates for an ECHL merger.

I don't think the ECHL is looking at Fargo, ND or Kearney, NE as viable markets for expansion.

mfrerkes

05-22-2009, 12:30 AM

Nice sig btw there Quacky....I feel honored. It's nice to know that I have that important aspect in your blogging life...means a lot.
Honored? I think it's creepy whenever somebody uses their avatar or sig line to further a personal online fixation towards another poster. Mark David Chapman signed his own name as "John Lennon" right before he went off to assassinate the object of his obsession.

Chaulker

05-22-2009, 07:51 AM

Bingo! The mouthpiece's name is Tim Leighton....and the majority owner actually lives in Chillicothe, Missouri.

Old news.....tell me the actual percentages before we call him the "majority" owner.

Honored? I think it's creepy whenever somebody uses their avatar or sig line to further a personal online fixation towards another poster. Mark David Chapman signed his own name as "John Lennon" right before he went off to assassinate the object of his obsession.

Just like everything else, you never get the full story of a conversation if you only get one snip-it. When I read a quote like that....shows me I got the better of that conversation.

Didn't you dub me in charge of the "Indy to IHL message boards" awhile back?? I still hang my hat on that also.

Lucher

05-22-2009, 09:38 AM

Maybe you ought to aim one of them in the right direction! Then we'd have a source....of such repute that no one would dare to refute it!! laugh2

Funny thing is, I asked you for a name. Seems simple enough. There are only 5 to give me, and yet you won't. I wonder why. I really don't I know why, you got nothing and the simple way to prove either way is to give me a team name like I asked in the first place.

Lucher

05-22-2009, 09:41 AM

I don't think the ECHL is looking at Fargo, ND or Kearney, NE as viable markets for expansion.

Those two markets would be more in line with the CHL.

otters2

05-22-2009, 10:08 AM

Bring back the River Otters!!!

Lucher

05-22-2009, 11:05 AM

Bring back the River Otters!!!

I thought you were waiting for the AHL???? :devilish:

silvershoes

05-22-2009, 11:13 AM

Maybe you ought to aim one of them in the right direction! Then we'd have a source....of such repute that no one would dare to refute it!! laugh2
That sounds like a fishing expedition to me. Make an allegation, ask someone else to prove or deny, then infer horrendous things if they won't do the legwork. Some things never change, do they?

Anyway. I don't think most of us care either way, but we're not locked into an eternal vendetta against the Frankes. We're happy to have Bloomington as an opponent, and have respect for the team and the coach and the organization. That's enough.

HockeyIsLife47

05-22-2009, 11:51 AM

If that is the case, then I nominate Quacky as Queen of All QC Fans.

Not my Queen...I do not her speaking for me in any way...not at all impressed withn her knowledge of facts...now rumors she has covered...

HockeyIsLife47

05-22-2009, 11:55 AM

My choice is for QC to go dark. Watching the same teams over and over again was boring in the UHL it will be boring again in the IHL.

Were you at any of the AHL games?? Seemed to me we basically watched the same teams over and over again in that league also...IOWA, CHICAGO,Peoria, Rockford and Milwaukee....I know we had a occaisional game with a odd out of area team..but for the most part...was the same teams.

Lucher

05-22-2009, 12:09 PM

Were you at any of the AHL games?? Seemed to me we basically watched the same teams over and over again in that league also...IOWA, CHICAGO,Peoria, Rockford and Milwaukee....I know we had a occaisional game with a odd out of area team..but for the most part...was the same teams.

I actually checked the Flames home schedule and they played ten different teams at home. That's twice as many as the I does.

The one thing I will say there is, lets say the Flames play Toronto at home andsome shananagans take place where the Flames might want to avenge. THe Flames crowd wouldn't get to see it because Toronto would only play in QC once, where as in the I you'd get to see a specific team again.

There's upsides and downside to playing the same teams 6 or 7 times at home.

HockeyIsLife47

05-22-2009, 12:19 PM

I actually checked the Flames home schedule and they played ten different teams at home. That's twice as many as the I does.

The one thing I will say there is, lets say the Flames play Toronto at home andsome shananagans take place where the Flames might want to avenge. THe Flames crowd wouldn't get to see it because Toronto would only play in QC once, where as in the I you'd get to see a specific team again.

There's upsides and downside to playing the same teams 6 or 7 times at home.

Twice as many in a league almost 5 times the size as the I!! Ten teams in a 29 or 30 team league IMO is not much different....it sure seemed to me we saw the same teams over and over!!

Quacky

05-22-2009, 03:04 PM

Were you at any of the AHL games?? Seemed to me we basically watched the same teams over and over again in that league also...IOWA, CHICAGO,Peoria, Rockford and Milwaukee....I know we had a occaisional game with a odd out of area team..but for the most part...was the same teams.

We played Iowa the most....14 games, 7 home/7 away....and I think too many of them were lumped at the end of the season. Then Peoria and Milwaukee, 5 home/5 away. Rockford and Chicago, 4 each at home and away.

That's a total of 50 games, so nearly half the season was played against other teams.

Now imagine watching those same five teams approximately 15 times each.....

Lucher

05-22-2009, 03:21 PM

We played Iowa the most....14 games, 7 home/7 away....and I think too many of them were lumped at the end of the season. Then Peoria and Milwaukee, 5 home/5 away. Rockford and Chicago, 4 each at home and away.

That's a total of 50 games, so nearly half the season was played against other teams.

Now imagine watching those same five teams approximately 15 times each.....

Which could conceiveably (sp) happen under the scenario of your own midwest ECHL division. After checking the ECHL site, I see anywherer form 71 to 73 games played (I think the two teams the fold mid season had something to do with the disparity). That's only 3 less than the "I". So unless enough teams from other division want to make the trip, you can bet seeing teams in your division at least 10-12 times.